Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Quick Submissions from ROLLAPALOOZA2





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13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just want to know what pro fighters like Jerry Legaspi and Carl Sebaniano(both multiple contenders at URCC) doing in a NOVICE tournament. I'm sure there are others who joined who don't fit the bill as novice. I thought the qualifications to join the novice tournament was 1 year and below competition experience, and amateur. URCC is not an amateur league. And there are clearly some sandbaggers who have been competing/training for over a year joining this tournament. Since it's nogi and there is no belt system to gauge someone's rank and 'novice' becomes relative, hopefully for the sake of honor people will uphold the rules. After all, to quote one of the organizers, martial arts is about honor. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Hello, I believe the rules were to categorize novice was training 2 years below in grappling or whitebelt in bjj.

yes URCC is not an amateur league but being an mma fighter doesnt categorize you as an expert in grappling immediately. some have to start as strikers then work their ground skills as well.

Anonymous said...

Vicente Pajaro is the current URCC Heavyweight champion, yet he still competed in Rollapalooza 2.

Anonymous said...

yeah, what about Vicente Pajaro?

Anonymous said...

what about Ronald Gavileno? I saw him compete around yr 2000 vs Myles Vives. Did he join a more advanced division?

Anonymous said...

no Ronald competed against a novice. He lost but that is not the point. Point is, how credible is this 'novice' tournament when pro fighters and veteran grapplers(obviously not novices) are permitted to join? I'm sure some of these fake 'novices' are so well-known it would be absurd for the organizers to claim that they are not aware.

Anonymous said...

Let's put it this way - these kinds of things are very rampant in the states. Organizers are very aware of guys who've been around a while and still join novice events. It's hard for organizers to just shut them out because it wouldnt do much for team relations and maybe some other matters. But bottomline, if you're a well-known guy and the public knows you're not a novice, who will look bad in the end if you win in a novice event? You'll earn a reputatios of being a sandbagger. And there is no honor or prestige in that. These novice events are done to promote the sport for the new guys because its them who'll keep the sport alive. What's sad about what happens is not that advanced guys are joining novice events, but they join because they want to win, they want the gold medal, THE EASY WIN. Not to belittle the novice people, but if you're a serious grappler, if you're a serious athlete, you would want to join competitions where there are real challenges, not joining novice events where you know you'll get the easy wins. That's why we salute those Fililipino grapplers who sacrifice a lot to compete abroad just to test themselves against the world's best. Win or lose, they step up to the challenge. That's where the real prestige and honor is.

To the sandbaggers, i hope you realize that to be really great, you need to step up.

To the critics, your comments are appreciated but it would be quite interesting to see if you could pull off events like the one in question, let alone perform well in one.

You know what they say about our sport, it's either you step up or shut up.

-one humble grappler

Anonymous said...

Carl Sabeniano won, Fool! His a profighter already!

Anonymous said...

I think that the 2 rollapalooza events that carl joined in were just to test his skills. he hasnt competed grappling before that. I would very much like to see him against more advanced guys. his game is solid. i think graduate na sya sa novice. pwede na sa advanced next time!

Anonymous said...

carl sebaniano competed before already. last year's bjj national grappling competition and the dominicao absoluta are just some examples. it is to my understanding that he has been grappling for over a year or two.

. : DRAGORO : . said...
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. : DRAGORO : . said...

Even the grappling community is not spared from crab mentality. It all boils down to the simple facts:

Fact 1: There isn't much grappling competitions locally except the ones we have now. People don't have the luxury of picking which ones to enter and wait around for the next competition that caters specifically to their level of expertise. The community would rather appreciate your support and constructive criticism.

Fact 2: People join and not join for personal reasons. Some just want to experience the fun in these events, some want to test themselves outside their teams and some make excuses not to join for fear of losing in front of the crowd. If you're just an audience, why should you question the spirit those competing and putting their necks on the line? If you're a true competitor, you would respect anyone who would be standing across that mat.

Fact 3: These competitions bring out the best in everyone competing. It reveals the holes in your game. It gives you the chance to close those holes, enabling you to become more solid in the very sport you love. Attitudes like "I'm pro, I don't belong here.." are absent and have no place on any mat. If you think that way about yourself, you're finished.

Fact 4: A true competitor has been given a privilege if his opponent has a higher level than him. Couture vs Lesnar anyone? If you believe in your game enough, you wouldn't care if you're opponent has competed in the Mundials, unless of course he has four extra arms and legs - still that would be fun. Most of those competing here have the mindset of a student, not someone whose hellbent only in the issue of bagging a medal.

Fact 5: You question those who have competed professionally for entering novice competitions, but most entries in the early URCCs are also first timers who competed against veterans. Nobody raised eyebrows on them.

Bottomline, people join these competitions on their own free will and consent, regardless of who else is entering. The level of grappling would remain lukewarm if you don't throw in some sharks to push the game up. Why don't you try listing up yourself? You might learn a thing or two. And if you are competitors already and still manage to say these things against some of the fighters, then you have serious attitude issue. You're not afraid of them are you? So what's the issue here? Leave them be and support the community.

Anonymous said...

Very well said, Dragoro.